Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

correction
Cabadian =Canadian:-)))
14/05/2009 [00:09:14]

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kinda gathered that :)))

Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

Yes, KOT, ,,Sort of Indian accent or a mixture of :-)))....
You must have moved in here quite recently, as I reckon and do you live in London???
14/05/2009 [00:12:18]
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huh... this how the Russian accent should sound like... they think.

what makes you think that I moved here quite recently?

KOT

Like Tajiks somewhere at bazaar in Moscow, man


Rather strange! Their rate of speech is at least 3 times as fast as comared with ours. And they might hear us that slow speaking as we hear the Balts. ))))

Funny enough but when my husband is trying to repeat after me some words in Russian (he doesn't speak Russian at all) he sounds like Georgian with their quite distinct accent:-)))

comared = compared )))) sorry

KOT
what makes you think that I moved here quite recently?

Nothing really, just a thought and probably, your earlier post re: SOHO;-)))))

NN | форум автора сообщения

KOT

Like Tajiks somewhere at bazaar in Moscow, man


Rather strange! Their rate of speech is at least 3 times as fast as comared with ours. And they might hear us that slow speaking as we hear the Balts. ))))
14/05/2009 [00:16:05]
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dunno really... didn't think about that...

Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

KOT
what makes you think that I moved here quite recently?

Nothing really, just a thought and probably, your earlier post re: SOHO;-)))))
14/05/2009 [00:19:40]
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the Soho thing was almost 4 years ago...

NN
Rather strange! Their rate of speech is at least 3 times as fast as comared with ours. And they might hear us that slow speaking as we hear the Balts. ))))

It is rather strange to me either, as I 've never thought about the speed ;-)))

Romeo

please tell me if the American and European ATCs don't need your report - Ready to land - and give you clearance w/o it.

English people didn't want to learn any other languages.

They think they are still an empire. But no empire is eternal.

KOT,
4 years is just a start;-))) a good one I hope...
Normally you would have lived in the country at least for 5 years to become more or less comfortable with the system and their way of living...I am not absolutely certain as this is just an average estimate...I know that some people have lived here more than 15 years and you could say for sure "They are Russians". While the others are much quicker to adapt and accept "the rules of the game".

Romeo, to hell with the 777 and 767, this is old stuff now :) Go for the 787, it's pretty much around the corner now )

Mila

Just now looked through the pages prior to this one and found your question - where did I study English. 5 years at our city's Linguistic University. )))
Must confess, I failed to graduate from it because of the state of my health at the time when the State Exams were coming.

Hi MSL
You are right!!! It's rather painful for them to realise that the world is changing and not necesseraly their own way. Conservatism is in the public consciousness and they just don't want to accept rather obvious historical facts and events.

NN: my current position isn't so high as U think:) Of course, it wasn't cheap and quick to reach it.. I've flown in Russia (An-24, Tu-134) for a 6 years while fuckin' medical board (тот самый легендарный "ЦВЛЭК") has written me off.. And my school friend helped me to arrange in the US & lend me enough money to start pilot trainings here. Now I'm his eternal debtor:)

Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

KOT,
4 years is just a start;-))) a good one I hope...
Normally you would have lived in the country at least for 5 years to become more or less comfortable with the system and their way of living...I am not absolutely certain as this is just an average estimate...I know that some people have lived here more than 15 years and you could say for sure "They are Russians". While the others are much quicker to adapt and accept "the rules of the game".
14/05/2009 [00:32:57]
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4 years is well enough to say that I don't like this island... but I have to admit that there are some things I do like... long story...

NN
Hello a linguist bugger;-))) nice to know that...

Mila

But it wasn't my goal to get a diploma or something ... for my work I gained a pretty good command of the lanuage and it have helped a lot since then.

NN | форум автора сообщения

Mila

Just now looked through the pages prior to this one and found your question - where did I study English. 5 years at our city's Linguistic University. )))
Must confess, I failed to graduate from it because of the state of my health at the time when the State Exams were coming.
14/05/2009 [00:38:06]
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huh...right...I've never learned English... as such... couldn't afford going to any kinda expensive courses or something like that... shame, my grammar could be better...

KOT
I quite agree with you. There are certain things that are quite good. However there are other ones that make life here not that attractive at all.
I have been here over 11 years now and to be honest we are in the position to go and live somewhere else rather soon than later...

Rather strange! Their rate of speech is at least 3 times as fast as comared with ours. And they might hear us that slow speaking as we hear the Balts. ))))


An anecdote.
Why nobody can win a victory over Russians? Scientists found out that Roman languages are 3/4 briefer than Russian. That's why commands are quicker to give and respond in western armies. But during battle Russians switch to "MAT" that is much more briefer than other language.

Romeo

Oh, I see. That notorious ЦВЛЭК I have undergone two times. Either was a very cruel experience and costly as well. In total I spent there about 2 months and 2 weeks.)))
Being at the very edge of losing my favourite job, the fate was favouring me not to let them move me off the profession.

Mila Love | форум автора сообщения

KOT
I quite agree with you. There are certain things that are quite good. However there are other ones that make life here not that attractive at all.
I have been here over 11 years now and to be honest we are in the position to go and live somewhere else rather soon than later...
14/05/2009 [00:50:02]
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same here...

NN
...for my work I gained a pretty good command of the lanuage and it have helped a lot since then.

You certainly did, indeed!!! ;-))))Just keep on going!!!

much more briefer than any other language.

MSL

I heard Zadornov tell that. )))))

NN: American ATCs always gave clearance w/o this report, unlike their Russian colleagues:)

xolodenko: Dreamliners? oh, 787s will enter into service in COA just in 2010 and we still have no warranties..

Well, guys, ,,
Just another good day...
Have to go now;- (( (
Blue sky to those who fly and sunshine to those who wait and meet to talk on this Forum.
Bye and hope to see you all again and again...

Bye Mila

the best of the best your forum is! )))

NN: U're absolutely right! This forum is an islet of kindness and politness on avia.ru.

Thanx for your wishes, Mila!

Hope I'll see you soon here, guys!

Morning!!
Good luck to all and thanks for your well wishes.
It's so nice just to chat about all sorts in English. Let's move on.
A thought for the day
"Holidays"...

hmm.. according those last posts which says that this forum is rather best from the best of anyone on this avia.ru: as i though before, main target was "to brush anyone's english" (sorry for my lower case of writing, but i don't like upper letters, and now can't see the reason to hide it nomore). so, that target means that this forum should be an open place for any people who would like talking english, nomatter how brilliant their skill is. not minding those passages about "гопник" (i'm not so great in english how Mark Twain was (upper cased in respect of him), so, can't get all nuances in other's speeches, but once i got an idea that my nickname and that untranslatable "гопник" was in relation somehow, but at least i dropped that paraniod, because where you can find some "гопник" who can say a word in english? so, where was i... i'm trying to pull the sense that may be, it may help for others here, if you/we are going to start talking some matters about civil aviation? i mean - may be some opinions how some carriers does their business, how they do sales, operations... something profitable. otherwise we've got a private club for couple of eggheads whose english is perfect already. what do ya think?

Morning!
A question for those who live abroad. Since USSR we are used to think that life in western countries is much better than in our country. But nowadays everything has changed a lot. And we also live in capitalistic environment and lifestyle. First of all when comes to life in big cities indeed. Of course we have our own well known national features like sluggish and heartless official services and so on.
But what about dark side of life in western world? Is it really as comfortable to live there as we've been thinking? What disturbs you most of all?

PS. As for the HOLIDAYS. We have a lot of them and love to celebrate them pretty much. :-)

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Unable to catch a connection between topics and participant's level of English.
As I understood not all of participants have a direct relation to the civil aviation. Discussion of narrow professional items maybe boring to them. I think we'd better concentrate on more common things.

2 All
I've spotted the mistakes (comparative) in my post with anecdote but I don't want to clutter the air correcting them.

2 MSL: got you. yes, may be your assumption is correct one. by the way, i wonder to know, why so many people who have nothing related with civil aviation is here, i mean all the site. how it can be? back to common disgrace style of communication between people there: it's weird, but i felt in idea that most of people there are ex and now students, may be? too much hard expressions for so easy matters, people fights for so low points... it seems like every second is just a person, who's feeling all the responsibility about the whole russian aviation from Brothers Write to nowadays...

2 Mila and anybody: can somebody help me in this matter - i need to create some formal discussions with my partners but got myself in shame, because i'm not sure how it would be correct to name their official posts, posisions in administrative hierarchy. i mean all those abbreviation that means short name of common office posts. can somebody explain how it would be:
генеральный директор
заместитель генерального директора
председатель совета директоров
владелец корпорации (i guess, that naming him as an owner of the company would be too familiar). thank's for any help.

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Everybody flies as a passenger. And most people feel anxious during flight. I suppose people want to know more about complicated and unknown system, that they entrust their lives. By the way that's why journalists love to write about aviation and especially about accidents so much. Others are just amateurs or former airmen, who want to feel the involvement in aviation.

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As far as I know:

Генеральный директор — CEO – Chief of executive officer
Заместитель гендиректора — Deputy CEO
Председатель совета директоров - Сhairman of board of directors
Владелец корпорации (акционер) — Owner or Shareholder

But this information need to be checked.

2 MSL: aha, many thank's. about passangers who're trying to descover how that craft works, which carry their lifes - yes, it suppose to seems reasonable to spent time here on this site. but... but-but-but.. ok, never mind, seems you're right.

MSL
Генеральный директор — CEO – Chief of executive officer

Small correction: Chief Executive Officer

Hi everybody
Posted the message and it's gone astray :-)))
Yes CEO- Chief executive Officer
or Managing Director
Deputy CE
Chairman (Chair) of the Board (of Directors)
Major /Key shareholder
couldn't find the right example for the Owner...

Re: communication.
Agree with MSL that we are here because one way or the other we all love sky, being other pilots or passangers, and planes either in the air or on the ground. And of course we like to talk about everything else in English;-)))..otherwise we could take part in other forums and talk about aviation stuff only.
I beleive that if within certain period of time you could feel that your level of language competence has boosted I am sure you would be very happy! Never stop learning -this is my personal motto;-))))

Holidays
I meant someting different than Public Holidays (Easter, X-mas, etc.)
Holidays - where to go and when?

2 MSL
But what about dark side of life in western world? Is it really as comfortable to live there as we've been thinking? What disturbs you most of all?

Well, it's so obvious that there are certain pitfalls and "dark horses".

Shal we do the following: as this is rather large issue to cover in one post, we can do it gradually by comparing here and there.
banks and banking system- a "dark horse" the world of Capital
unemployement and forced retirement- a pitfall, the world of Misery
People are individuals, even within the family, the world of Singles
To have something you need to work really hard..., the world of Hard Labour

VOC
Владелец корпорации (акционер) - as he owns his own company and is the Key/Major shareholder he can call himself whatever he likes
CEO, Executive, Managing Director, Director General, The Chair etc...it all depends on the context.....

strange....nobody's here..;- (( (

2 Mila
Holidays - where to go and when?
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Hi!
It mostly depends on nature of a holiday and season. For example May's holidays (1-st of May and Victory day) people like to celebrate outdoors – roasting shashlyk (marinated meet) or simply working at their country cottages. New year folks traditionally celebrate in the bosom of the family. But recently emerged a new tradition – to go on short voyage to one of the northern countries and have winter funs (skiing, skating and so on). For instance it might be motherland of Santa – Laplandia, Finland.

2 Mila
Владелец корпорации (акционер) - as he owns his own company and is the Key/Major shareholder he can call himself whatever he likes
CEO, Executive, Managing Director, Director General, The Chair etc...it all depends on the context....
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This might be true if there is only one owner of a company. But in general, relations between owners and executive bodies are regulated by corporate law and organization chart. They cant be changed at will of only one shareholder.

Yes, that' right.. Then he might be called as Chair...:-)))One way or the other it's all about senior or top executives..
Holidays
We talk about holidays when we have 2 weeks twice a year and try to escape somewhere, as the weather in England is not that great at all. Cold and humid winters and mostly grey skies drive people crazy.That what we call "to escape the winter blues"..Although the temperature might not be exactly below zero as in Russia but it feels nasty because of this damn humidity...
Well in summer time I usually come back to Russia to see my long life friends and family.
MSL I think you forgot another rather Russian way of celebrating May Public holidays- to plant potatoes:-))) a sort of massive nature escape...

2 Mila
I believe that passion for planting work and living in village roots from agricultural ancestors of majority of our people. It's a social rudiment, arised because of industrialization of the country that had been held too fast. I take it as a kind of hobby, but devoted "dachniks" get hurt when I say so. They believe that dacha is a real substance of their feeding.